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mlinksva: @john no time tonight, but I'd like to raise the stakes, or...

@john no time tonight, but I'd like to raise the stakes, or whatever one says in bingo, and claim quote relevant way beyond GPL compliance ☻

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bkuhn: @fontana,I was accused of enforcing w/out © holder assent. I've not...

@fontana,I was accused of enforcing w/out © holder assent. I've not done that,but I'm forced to defend myself vs !GPL equivalent of birthers

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bkuhn: @fontana, copyleft w/out enforcement is equivalent to a permissive...

@fontana, copyleft w/out enforcement is equivalent to a permissive license anyway. So I guess I don't see your point there.

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bkuhn: @fontana, If you read the @lwnnet comment threads, I believe the...

@fontana, If you read the @lwnnet comment threads, I believe the answer to your question is IOTTMCO, don't you think? Thanks for the #troll.

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bkuhn: @fontana, I talked w/ #laforge about this. He believes no legal tools...

@fontana, I talked w/ #laforge about this. He believes no legal tools should be used to require all C&CS for all copylefted software.

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bkuhn: @mlinksva @john Agreed users should demand software freedom,but...

@mlinksva @john Agreed users should demand software freedom,but practically, !GPL enforcement can't be done w/out © holder assent,∴ I get it

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mlinksva: @bkuhn enforcement narrowly construed, sure. I know you get it, but...

@bkuhn enforcement narrowly construed, sure. I know you get it, but I feel compelled to observe that putting GPLicensor/© holder at center…

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mlinksva: @bkuhn …understates ethical concern for 99%+ of non-licensor,...

@bkuhn…understates ethical concern for 99%+ of non-licensor, supposedly handcuffed users. Perhaps these should #shame©holders to enforce.

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tmarble: @fontana Surely consumer device manufacturers choose GNU/Linux and...

@fontana Surely consumer device manufacturers choose GNU/Linux and understand that #GPL requires offering source. /cc @mlinksva @bkuhn

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lnxwalt: @fontana @tmarble I think you’re both underestimating how much the...

@fontana@tmarble I think you’re both underestimating how much the public thinks “open source” == “public domain”

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lnxwalt: @fontana @tmarble ... they literally don’t believe they have to...

@fontana@tmarble ... they literally don’t believe they have to comply with licenses b/c they believe no© applies.

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lxoliva: @fontana couldn't GPLv4 grant downstream users power to hire...

@fontana couldn't GPLv4 grant downstream users power to hire attorney for © enforcement on their upstreams representing © holder?

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lxoliva: @fontana and require redistributors to recognize the legitimacy of...

@fontana and require redistributors to recognize the legitimacy of the representation even if they failed to pass the license on?

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bkuhn: I don't necessarily believe contractual remedies should be avoided....

I don't necessarily believe contractual remedies should be avoided. Brendan Scott doing interesting stuff w/ fraud law & !GPL in Australia.

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bkuhn: @fontana, stubborn insistence you mention isn't mine. If you'd help me...

@fontana, stubborn insistence you mention isn't mine. If you'd help me enforce !GPL using contract remedies, I'm open to it. Volunteering?

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zotz: Pay me a dollar for my GPL code. I assign enough rights for you to have...

Pay me a dollar for my GPL code. I assign enough rights for you to have standing?

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mlinksva: @bkuhn anything on the web about this? I tried the obvious...

@bkuhn anything on the web about this? I tried the obvious searches/sites.

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bkuhn: @fontana, I'm sure I only said they aren't possible as © actions. As...

@fontana, I'm sure I only said they aren't possible as © actions. As fraud, contract, or other actions, !GPL enforcement downstream may work

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mlinksva: @fontana curious, IDNKA http://ur1.ca/85hrz points to need for a...

@fontana curious, IDNKA http://ur1.ca/85hrz points to need for a license #deconstruction session at #disturbicon

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bkuhn: Seriously? That's your argument: Larry #Rosen should write #GPLv4?...

Seriously? That's your argument: Larry #Rosen should write #GPLv4? Remember always: I asked you to volunteer to help & you sent me to Larry.

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